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Had the same experience last year with Ukrainian and I am french :
French man usually invite the girl on first date and even more but when in a relationship the girl is also expected to invite back ( we donโt split the bill ) otherwise we take it as ungrateful and poor maneers
French Men are also known as some of the most Effeminate Men in the world. It is also an Effeminate Culture.
God that's so tragic for French women lol
That's why I like German men ๐ช only prostitutes are paid
When in Rome.... when you are living in a different country it's best to follow their customs....so choose your country wisely :)
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I was actually gonna say the same thing
As if everyone could just "choose" the country they're going to when running from a war.
Naaah you make exceptions for Slavic girls. They deserve it
Germany is super diverse. She can just look for guys who come from a similar culture, what she did
I am with the guy. He did the right Thing
Not โthe right thingโ. Some cultures offer the man pays first, some donโt. Nothing wrong with what she said
@@genabrianna7267 having a culture doesn't mean the principles of It are right in 2023 . If in My culture it's a dishonour if My daughter marries an occidental man, It doesn't mean it's right. If in My culture women go to jail if they sing or they have to get killed if they don't cover their head, It doesn't mean it's right. Having a culture doesn't mean you can't evolve and start thinking with your own brain/instinct/Heart . If all mankind stayed firm in his culture and did let It define his life, than there would not be the progress. Anyways, to me he did the right Thing. If you realize you have incompatible ideas you gotta have the freedom to breakup
I get that, but Iโm not talking about it in such an extreme sense. Iโm talking simply roles in relationships in European countries. For instance, if in a culture where the woman is expected to bear children, stay at home and even possibly work, it shouldnโt seem that crazy for a man to pay for her meal or provide in other matters for that sense. I bring it up because that may most likely be the culture in Ukraine as apposed to Germany where women are expected to take on both roles and end up doing more & sacrificing then their male counterpart. Thatโs all. To say the German man is โrightโ could be seen as โwrongโ in Ukrainian culture. Matter of opinion
@@genabrianna7267 the problem Is not paying the meal. The meal it's Just 1% of the things which some women expect to be payed from a man . There are women who expect the man to pay the holidays, to pay for groceries, to pay for the rent. It's wrong . Luckily there are still many women Who like even Just once in a while to reciprocate what a man Is doing for them and they are appreciative and don't expect the man to Always take care of these things , taking It for granted. PS: and I talk as a man Who believes in chivalry and puts it into practice everyday.
You are wrong to think itโs the womenโs fault in this case. My (Russian) husband literally feels terrible when I pay. Even when Iโm enthusiastic and want to. Men from these cultures make it a big part of their identity to cover and protect their woman in all cases.
I dated an Ukrainian girl just like this and we communicated our cultural differences in advance. She expected me to be traditional: pay for dinners, open doors, etc. However she refused to be traditional herself and that's where things started to go downhill. Not all people are like this though, but you learn to read the signs. Some lessons have to be suffered, they can't be learned.
I also was in the same situation with an Ukrainian girl. She wanted to be traditional but with zero accountability.
Totally with you on that matter.
Can I ask you for a couple examples please? I'm overly invested in your comment ๐ฎwhat were the traditional roles she ingored?
@@arman4chok The house was not taken care off (zero initiative to do any form of cleaning or wash clothes), not wanting to eat together like a family, accepting invitations from other thirsty guys to do activities without being able to say no/set boundaries, etc. Her parents, however, lived with traditional roles: her father worked and provided while her mother took care of the home. The price to pay for this lifestyle was of course financial hardship because in Ukrainian cities life is getting too expensive for families to survive on a single income (same as it already happens in many other western countries).
@@Ashp00l I'm curious. Maybe girls think that the appearance is a collateral. Like they already did too much. Thus you have to prove to her...crazy...especially considering she does not offer psychological innocence or any other means to make your unity special... Anyways I think you dodged a bullet right there. This kind of a setup is very dangerous to build anything upon. Congrats.
It depends where r u from mate๐ TRUST me with Eastern European women,THIS plays a huge role
If you like the Germans you will love the Dutch ๐
๐๐๐ the men here oh god
I canโt stand Germans ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
I'm Dutch and have a Ukrainian girlfriend
โ@@robox91Do you guys split everything? Or do you pay?
@@K55365 split
Currently dating a Ukrainian girl and lemme tell you.....they are as Conservative as they come! Which sounds bad, but every time I came over to her house, she had food ready on the table waiting on me. She even washed my clothes! And being from America ngl I felt outta place, but I started partaking into a more traditional role and so far its been working out.
@jessiekim1886ย both, but that's why you jump in and also assist with laundry day, don't ask questions just start doing Housework as well, if you sit down and watch TV while they're doing chores you're sure to get cussed at so just stay quiet and work
@jessiekim1886ย and also pay for everything don't be cheap and try to go 50 50
@@jessiekim1886 not Ukranian here, but Eastern European/American. If I pay for the dates, her nails, hairdresser etc, the least I expect is my girlfriend to take care of cooking, laundry and cleaning. My ex gf used to come over my house while I was at university, and by the time I came home, she waited me at the door, helping me with my coat, dinner on the table etc. And we've been only dating for 3 months at that point. This is pretty common in Eastern Europe, Asia and Latin America. Things are more traditional here luckily. I'm from the USA but grew up in Hungary, and I used to spend my summers in the states, and girls over there forgot how to be a woman while expecting me to be a traditional man. I felt used and not appreciated. You can not demand husband treatment while not giving wife behaviour
โ@@edwinprado5620wait so you pay everything but she does only 50 percent of the household Work?
How did you adjust to your conservative tradional gender roles ? A Woman expectimg me to pay was already a shock for me ahah
She should live in her culture and find men in her own country.
I mean people in kosovo are not very developed so it kinda fits her perfectly
@@tretatorta8000 bit ignorant of you to say.
The men are a little busy at the moment.
โ@@tretatorta8000and tell me please what does it mean to be developed .... hahhaa man that called themself women amd vice versa,people that called themself they,no family no roots thats so progrwsive dont be fulled man .... completly dekoinc wake up eurooope
โ@@thefractured_butwhole Dying "traditionally" I guess
I understand the girl and the guy. She expects a man to pay for the restaurant because it is supposed to be a romantic gesture from him, which she will retribute in other ways (cooking at home, paying for cinema, offering gifts... On the other hand, the guy thinks paying for the restaurant always seems like being exploited. Neither of them is wrong, it's just a cultural shock.
and thats the reason divorce rate in western europe is high
โ@@putrapratama-sq8hudivorce rate in Germany is not very high. It's not even half of the rate of countries like Russia, Kazakhstan and... Ukraine.
There's many more divorces in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe actually.
โ@@helgaioannidis9365not true at all ,much more divorce in west
@@SRBOMBONICA86 look up the statistics and you will be surprised.
@@helgaioannidis9365 your western statistics are not to be trusted ๐
Iยดd rather to be all alone than to hang out with this kind of women
I have dated Swedish and Norwegian women. When I took them to the most expensive restaurants in the city for dinner. They never offered to split the bill 50/50. Because you know why? Because I'm rich!
Are you all alone?
โ@@vannhatvo5925 if you wanna be used then more power to you.
๐คฃ I could never be attracted to a women like this.
I like my women to be a real, actual women ... strong and confident .. like me.
Men deliberately going after women like this in the west never know what a real equal partner is like.
I don't want a princess who refuses to get dirty or do anything hard that cares nothing you but what you provide.
Grow up men and women
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It depends if she will be traditional too. If she cooks and cares for you at home, treats you like a traditional man, then it's a fair trade. If she just wants you to be traditional and not herself, then it's just bad character.
Let's just respect differences in culture and try to compromise when we can. Personally, I'm also a traditional woman, and in my culture, there's nothing wrong abt the man paying. But I also split the bill or even treat my bf to snacks when I can. It's just a matter of compromise.